May 2019 Sales #'s - Down as the industry is stressed - Alfa Romeo Stelvio Forum
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May 2019 Sales #'s - Down as the industry is stressed

Overall very good for FCA thanks to RAM and Grand Cherokee/Gladiator from Jeep. Only 761 USA brethren and sisteren rolled out in shiny new Stelvios during the month. (but happy to report seeing an average of 2 per day lately-- despite the deadpan response to my warm greetings).


In perspective, it seems like FCA is in pretty good shape vs. the competition. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-big-discounts


Interesting to note FCA and GM keeping Tesla afloat with over-the-back-wall carbon credit payoffs. Strategically best to bet the cash on the weakest player rather than subsidize competitors that can actually do harm long term (depending on your level of Elon worship you may disagree). https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-fiat-chrysler


Source of FCA sales by model: https://www.allpar.com/news/2019/06/...les-hike-44937
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How is that good Alfa Stelvio sales down 36% May and 17% YTD not good! They sell 760 Stelvios a month that is pathetic

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In this downward industry trend where all car makers are suffering (even though FCA had a 2% increase in sales in May), here is a positive headline, true to me and many other members in the forum:

Alfa Romeo Is Stealing Customers From The Germans | CarBuzz

https://carbuzz.com/news/jeep-owners...-to-alfa-romeo
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How many people on this forum are having their B-day right now?

I'm turning a year, need to go put my new registration sticker on. Last year at this point incentives were ridiculous and sales reflected it. Now they are using a more conservative approach to sales and the numbers reflect that.


One thing not being reported in that article....so far in 2019, Ram has outsold Chevrolet. You read that right, Ram is outselling Chevrolet making them the #2 truck brand in 2019 so far. Major accomplishment, huge. Someone at GM is getting fired, maybe some teams and I bet they announce another redesign very soon if this keeps up.


Considering both of them are competing with brand new designs, this is earth shaking. Last time Ram outsold Chevy it was 1999.


https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-...e-truck-brand/


Industry is down but FCA is actually in a good place comparatively. #2 truck sales with 13% corporate profit margins and a modern platform adaptable to cars and SUVs not bad.


...BTW Chevy truck sales are down 16% and GMC down 2%, on a brand new truck design. GM should be looking for a corporate partner. Trucks are the only thing keeping them alive and the new one doesn't sell? That is very bad for them.

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With Giulia-to-Stelvio ratio basically one-to-one, again, that cannot be good for AR.

The Stelvio was supposed to be their "golden ticket" back into the USA market.
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The suv market overall is not great. The West cost is barely getting gas prices down from the crazy highs a few weeks ago and back till feb almost. SUVs other than Jeep are made and broke by gas prices. (Part of why an suv only strategy is ...not smart... to many people)

Jeep is its own thing and its sales rarely follow market trends anymore..its a monster due to the off roaders and posers. (Other people buy jeep too, majority)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/discoun...se-11550494801

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US car sales are probably going to get worse before they get better because of the tariffs on Mexican goods. The industry's supply chain involves Mexico to such a degree that the cost of a vehicle could increase by $1300 if tariffs go as high as 25%. Then there's the auto specific tariffs (not in effect yet) that soon may be imposed on cars and car parts that are imported to gain leverage in trade negotiations against Japan and Europe, which again could raise prices hundreds to thousands of dollars depending on the tariff rate.
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With Giulia-to-Stelvio ratio basically one-to-one, again, that cannot be good for AR.

The Stelvio was supposed to be their "golden ticket" back into the USA market.
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I agree. That was the goal, Giulia was definitely not cutting it. Plus, SUV/Crossovers are the cash cows of automotive companies (in the US anyway).

It might be best to wait and see if the Dear Leader will take us into a recession in 2020. An oversupplied market and a recession might dictate stoooopid sales!
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"golden ticket"

wishful thinking.
a giulia doesn't get camry customers and a stelvio doesn't get whatever the equivalent suv is customer.

neither is mass market, by design and intent, and if either was the right vehicle for the wants boring market - it would cease to be an Alfa.
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the only thing propping tesla up

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gm-fiat-c...154735756.html

add euro emissions to US, and the Renault deal with their electrics makes (more) sense, especially for a company that likes internal combustion.
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