[Bladecutter]

Okay, just a heads up, got the car back today.
I would have been able to get the car back yesterday, but my wife and I weren't able to make it down to the dealer during business hours, so we had to wait until this afternoon to go pick it back up.

So, CEL was caused by a P0171-00 (System too lean), and P00F3-00 (Humidity Sensor Circuit range/performance).
They performed 22-067 RRT.

All cleared up now.

My wife said that the car was much snappier on the drive back home (I was driving the Cayman home), and I haven't had a chance to drive it yet, but I believe her.

My wife also said that the service writer told her that just about every '22 Stelvio they have sold has needed to be reflashed this year, with similar issues.

So, from my point of view, all is right in the world again.
No heated words between me, the dealer, nor Alfa Roadside either.

 

[Peter A]

That’s good to hear. The total “fleet” mileage of all Stelvios and Guilias is a fraction of one year of a Toyota model. These cars have had relatively few issues but that doesn’t make it less frustrating. Understanding what happens and knowing how to fix knowledge base takes time to grow. Imagine what happens with my 4C, 10,000 cars made in total and most have low mileage. 4C has proven to be reliable but when tranny issues come up the Alfa solution is to just replace it…no learning.

My 2018 Ti (manufactured March 2017) has 53,000 miles now and has never thrown a code. parked outside, not tendered, driven regularly. Purchased as a demo with 7,000 miles so it did not sit in the dealer lot un-driven. In for service at indy mechanic now, replacing the OEM battery as preventative maintenance, 2nd brake flush, first coolant flush, oil changes every 5k-7.5k miles. One set of brakes at 36,000 miles. It drive it pretty hard. Will do tranny and differentials at 75k miles.

 

[GWRmotohead]

My 2018 Ti (manufactured March 2017) has 53,000 miles now and has never thrown a code. parked outside, not tendered, driven regularly. Purchased as a demo with 7,000 miles so it did not sit in the dealer lot un-driven. In for service at indy mechanic now, replacing the OEM battery as preventative maintenance, 2nd brake flush, first coolant flush, oil changes every 5k-7.5k miles. One set of brakes at 36,000 miles. It drive it pretty hard. Will do tranny and differentials at 75k miles.

When you changing the acc. belt? when they see/say it's old, after 4 years? or some other milestone?

 

[Peter A]

I had the belt and plugs replaced on the original (early) 2018MY schedule in 2020 at around 35,000 miles. I will probably go longer on the current belt. The plugs looked ok according to my indy mechanic but showing some wear. I am thinking that every 30-40,000 miles is good for the plugs for max performance and avoiding pre-ignition. The service I had at my indy was $800 including belt, plugs, oil and filter, air filter, cabin air filter, brake flush, full once over inspection all noted properly to maintain warranty and not too pricey (versus dealer service).

 

[AlfaQ]

A lot of the back and forth in the forums relates to quality/reliability issues, particularly with first or second model year (2018-2019)) Stelvios.

Obviously, we can't really judge overall brand quality or reliability based on anecdotal issues reported in a forum. Every forum I've been involved in, regardless of brand, is mostly about "issues" someone had with their vehicle.

As a recent owner of a Porsche Macan S, I can assure you, the content on the Macan forum looks eerily similar to what we read in this Stelvio forum. Cars break, weird stuff happens, and people complain about how much it costs to get things fixed. With Porsche, things are just a lot more expensive when they break. $17K for a PDK transmission replacement, etc, etc.

One point I'd like to make about the Stelvio, or any other completely new product, is the first couple years do have more than their share of "issues". Converesely, subsequent model years get better and better. Manufacturers spend A LOT of time and money analyzing warranty data, tearing down and analyzing failed parts from warranty returns, and meeting with suppliers to find root causes and corrections to failures.

My argument on Stelvio or Giulia quality and reliability is that the new ones have very competitive overall quality. Initial quality surveys and warranty data supports the idea that as a platform ages, quality always goes up and continues to go up every year.

A prime example of this would be FCA's own very aged LX platform cars: (Charger/Challenger/300) They have outstanding quality ratings by every major industry measurement.

I have such confidence in the 2022 Stelvio that I traded in a Macan S for one. Yes, the Macan is an excellent vehicle, and yet, I found the Stelvio to be more engaging to drive. The VW group platform that the Macan is built off of has its own set of compromises that ultimately hurt its handling dynamics in spite of Porsche engineering the hell out of it to make it handle as much like a Porsche as they could.

My question for all of you with new 2021 and 2022 Model year Stelvios is; How are things going?

I would speculate that few If any of your are having any problems at all.

I have 19k on my 2020 Stelvio Quad. No Issues except I cant lock the dog in the car without setting the alarm off. fuel consumption is what it is and I wish it had a bigger gas tank. thats all. I love the alcantara seats

 

[Jons]

A lot of the back and forth in the forums relates to quality/reliability issues, particularly with first or second model year (2018-2019)) Stelvios.

Obviously, we can't really judge overall brand quality or reliability based on anecdotal issues reported in a forum. Every forum I've been involved in, regardless of brand, is mostly about "issues" someone had with their vehicle.

As a recent owner of a Porsche Macan S, I can assure you, the content on the Macan forum looks eerily similar to what we read in this Stelvio forum. Cars break, weird stuff happens, and people complain about how much it costs to get things fixed. With Porsche, things are just a lot more expensive when they break. $17K for a PDK transmission replacement, etc, etc.

One point I'd like to make about the Stelvio, or any other completely new product, is the first couple years do have more than their share of "issues". Converesely, subsequent model years get better and better. Manufacturers spend A LOT of time and money analyzing warranty data, tearing down and analyzing failed parts from warranty returns, and meeting with suppliers to find root causes and corrections to failures.

My argument on Stelvio or Giulia quality and reliability is that the new ones have very competitive overall quality. Initial quality surveys and warranty data supports the idea that as a platform ages, quality always goes up and continues to go up every year.

A prime example of this would be FCA's own very aged LX platform cars: (Charger/Challenger/300) They have outstanding quality ratings by every major industry measurement.

I have such confidence in the 2022 Stelvio that I traded in a Macan S for one. Yes, the Macan is an excellent vehicle, and yet, I found the Stelvio to be more engaging to drive. The VW group platform that the Macan is built off of has its own set of compromises that ultimately hurt its handling dynamics in spite of Porsche engineering the hell out of it to make it handle as much like a Porsche as they could.

My question for all of you with new 2021 and 2022 Model year Stelvios is; How are things going?

I would speculate that few If any of your are having any problems at all.

I am new and about to get a 2022 QF. I have two concerns, the first is reliability. Does anyone know of any recent data on 2021s and 2022s versus other cars. All the general columns usually rate Alpha pretty hard. The other concern I have which may belong in another thread is the break-in. I noticed that the car I am just about to put a deposit on had 160s. Thats no so bad given it has been in the lot for 6 months. My concern is that perhaps other test drivers (the SA comes with you when you go on a relatively short ride) pushed it to hard. The manual says not over 3500 RPMs. Maybe I am over thinking this?

 

[Jons]

I have 19k on my 2020 Stelvio Quad. No Issues except I cant lock the dog in the car without setting the alarm off. fuel consumption is what it is and I wish it had a bigger gas tank. thats all. I love the alcantara seats

Hmm..... I had exactly that problem (Dog/Alarm) with my Audi but found they have a trick where if you press the external lock touch area twice in a row, it disables the internal alarm. I hope I can find something like that for the Quad.

 

[ViscontiVerde 164L*]

Yup, same on my RRS. 2 presses or was it the X5....disables motion sensor

 

[Jons]

Yup, same on my RRS. 2 presses or was it the X5....disables motion sensor

I think I saw the solution to this posted somewhere else, but there is an Alfa solution. On page 26 of the 2022 Owners manual they have instructions on how to disable Volumetric/Anti-lift Protection with a button. I think this solution is better than what I had in the Audi.

 

[lost1750GTV]

"Two concerns"
Most issues are dealers not being proactive on the battery - or not doing a flash. See post above.
Virtually impossible to drive this car hard enough to generate heat causing damage without seriously breaking a lot of laws (autobahn aside) or driving hard at track.
I wouldnt worry about 160 miles, even if someone pulled redline through 3rd gear to check it our. Test drive yourself, and see if you think the opportunity for actual abuse presents itself.

 

[Critona]

A lot of the back and forth in the forums relates to quality/reliability issues, particularly with first or second model year (2018-2019)) Stelvios.

Obviously, we can't really judge overall brand quality or reliability based on anecdotal issues reported in a forum. Every forum I've been involved in, regardless of brand, is mostly about "issues" someone had with their vehicle.

As a recent owner of a Porsche Macan S, I can assure you, the content on the Macan forum looks eerily similar to what we read in this Stelvio forum. Cars break, weird stuff happens, and people complain about how much it costs to get things fixed. With Porsche, things are just a lot more expensive when they break. $17K for a PDK transmission replacement, etc, etc.

One point I'd like to make about the Stelvio, or any other completely new product, is the first couple years do have more than their share of "issues". Converesely, subsequent model years get better and better. Manufacturers spend A LOT of time and money analyzing warranty data, tearing down and analyzing failed parts from warranty returns, and meeting with suppliers to find root causes and corrections to failures.

My argument on Stelvio or Giulia quality and reliability is that the new ones have very competitive overall quality. Initial quality surveys and warranty data supports the idea that as a platform ages, quality always goes up and continues to go up every year.

A prime example of this would be FCA's own very aged LX platform cars: (Charger/Challenger/300) They have outstanding quality ratings by every major industry measurement.

I have such confidence in the 2022 Stelvio that I traded in a Macan S for one. Yes, the Macan is an excellent vehicle, and yet, I found the Stelvio to be more engaging to drive. The VW group platform that the Macan is built off of has its own set of compromises that ultimately hurt its handling dynamics in spite of Porsche engineering the hell out of it to make it handle as much like a Porsche as they could.

My question for all of you with new 2021 and 2022 Model year Stelvios is; How are things going?

I would speculate that few If any of your are having any problems at all.

This is the kind of stuff I love to hear. I have a 2022 Veloce that I am absolutely in love with. I can easily say it's one of the best cars I've ever owned. Have not had a single problem. Have about 12,000 mi on it now. It runs like a dream.

 

[Bladecutter]

My '22 Veloce hasn't skipped a beat since the reflash in the first month of ownership.
Over 7400 miles now, and the only issue is when the interior lights were left on overnight, and drained the battery down.
Recharged the battery overnight, and all has been restored to it's previous glory.

 

[DetectiveDB]

Had my 22 Stelvio Veloce for just over two months. Due to infrequent driving I hardwired a battery maintainer that I plug in on the first of every month. Voltage is usually 13.9 or 14.0 when the maintainer kicks in. Other than that, no problems and truly loving the vehicle.

 

[Chasriff]

No problems at all with our 2021 Stelvio. Only 10k miles on it, already has had 3 oil changes, and it goes on a battery tender if it's not going to be driven for a couple days. Great car - didn't think I'd ever say that about an SUV.

 

[tibimakai]

3 oil changes, that is not excessive a bit?

 

[GWRmotohead]

well, 4k is the severe duty recommendation, so the early one, say at 1k, is just getting the first break in oil out of the system, not necessarily a bad thing to do, 5K is right on time for stop and go traffic and 9k is the same.

 

[Chasriff]

Yeah, probably 3 oil changes in <10,000 miles is a bit much, but it's my wife's car and I cringe when she only drives two miles to the store and back on a cold engine. So I'd rather err on the side of caution. The time interval of the chages are every 6 months or thereabouts.

 

[ALFAOFFROAD]

TBH.. changing the oil won't help if she's driving hard on a cold engine.

If she isn't.... Then it doesn't matter either.

The simple act of driving short distances isn't really a problem so much. It's driving hard, short distances, on a cold engine.

If the issue is her driving hard... Let her know about the Stelvio short cut where you drive around the place you are going for awhile because.... Gotta warm up the engine and flog it.

Nothing wrong with changing the oil more often then every 4-5 k... But I doubt it helps anything here besides peace of mind. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Only exception would be time. IE: took 3 years to drive 10k miles.... There should be an oil change every 12 months regardless of miles then, so 3 oil changes as a minimum. My opinion.

 

[Chasriff]

Believe me, she's NOT driving it hard - that's my job. It's all for peace of mind and that Italian tune-up I give it always helps, too

 

[ALFAOFFROAD]

Peace of mind is a great thing to have!

All considered you should feel pretty safe.