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Made my 30K appointment yesterday, no issues. The Service Manager noted that the serpentine belt should be replaced, a 3 hour job and which as quoted brings the bill to $700. I am tempted to pass- as noted before my Stelvio is more of a long-distance runner and has never been even near the red line. The engine is being phased into other FCA mainstream vehicles such as Cherokee and Wrangler and others planned for the future. Hard to believe these would call for a $700 service at only 30K. So I am reading into this that Alfas, being classed as 'sporting' vehicles are assumed to be subject to severe hard use- in my case (and many of us) this is simply not the application of the vehicle. I am seriously thinking of deferring this service and instead having the tech do a visual instead.

That said, the dealer is excellent and has high credibility and I would usually be inclined to follow the advice, same as medical advice. First time I've ever questioned advice given from them/him. My wife will be pissed at a $700 bill on an almost-new vehicle + she will be with me as we are honing in on a 500X to replace her A4.

Has any other 2.0 owner had the work done? What potential effect on the Warranty? Why in this application and not mainstream vehicles with the same engine? What risk (other than failure) is there?

Interesting thread her for 2.0 in Giulia: https://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/289-alfa-romeo-giulia-general-discussion/30729-2-0-belt-service-2.html?amp=1

Thoughts? Thanks as always in advance!
 

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Is the $700 the total bill for all service or just the belt?
I personally would take the recommendation. How much longer would you wait otherwise?
I don't like trekking back and forth to the dealer so I'd look at it as killing two birds with one stone. And I've got a small jaunt to the dealer compared to you if we're talking frazier. Time is money in my book.
 

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It is everything complete as quoted- I was thinking of deferring to 40K. They are hot on the climate filter as well- I am pretty ure it's OK as is too. 40 miles each way for me.

Is the $700 the total bill for all service or just the belt?
I personally would take the recommendation. How much longer would you wait otherwise?
I don't like trekking back and forth to the dealer so I'd look at it as killing two birds with one stone. And I've got a small jaunt to the dealer compared to you if we're talking frazier. Time is money in my book.
 

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Here's the screenshot from the owner's manual. Recommended replacement at 36k but must be replaced every 4 years in non dusty locations. Dusty locations are even shorter 18k, 2 years. I don't know what qualifies Dusty vs Non-Dusty regions...



I agree that this seems a bit aggressive in terms of required maintenance but if I was trying to maintain warranty I would just replace at the 4 year mark.



Anybody know why the accessory drive belt is so fragile in this vehicle that it only lasts a small portion of what it does in other vehicles?



I have respect for maintenance schedules on higher end vehicles but I've never heard of this short of an interval with any other manufacturer ever.
 

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I think must of us are in a non-dusty location - we drive on pavement! Really, I am not trying to make a joke, just can't see the 'dusty' part for most of us (unless is @ALFAOFFROAD, haha). I think 36K as the manual states, or 40K as @Scalewoodman says would be OK. I cannot imagine any dealership challenging that. A reasonable dealership, that is.
 

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Apparently it’s a $2k engine out replacement belt on the QV. 8 hour job and it’s supposed to be every 30k.

I’d lean toward replacing it but it’s probably fine for 40k and isn’t going to destroy the engine like a timing belt would.
 

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Best possible thing to do is look at it.

Is the belt cracked or showing wear? Does it seem loose or make any noise?

Any yes means replace it, otherwise don't.

Replacing early is never bad, but can be expensive...

Yeah, I definitely qualify as dusty conditions...looking at my belt, maybe 30k, 18k??!! I'll check it then but right now it looks and feels new.
 

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I have a lease at 15k a year. I probably do a 3 year total of 40k miles. If you are leasing, I would pass. I never replaced a timing belt ever.
 

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Best possible thing to do is look at it.

Is the belt cracked or showing wear? Does it seem loose or make any noise?

Any yes means replace it, otherwise don't.

Replacing early is never bad, but can be expensive...

Yeah, I definitely qualify as dusty conditions...looking at my belt, maybe 30k, 18k??!! I'll check it then but right now it looks and feels new.

This is exactly what I would do. I doubt it takes a mechanic 3 hours to change a serpentine belt. I do believe in doing preventative maintenance but lets not get carried away replacing parts that really don't need to be replaced. I would doubt the belt costs the dealer anymore than $50 so I struggle with the $700 quote.
 

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I have a lease at 15k a year. I probably do a 3 year total of 40k miles. If you are leasing, I would pass. I never replaced a timing belt ever.
FWIW, Lancia and Fiat recommended replacing the Gilmer timing belt on the Lampredi SOHC and DOHC engines @ 17.5K miles. As the under 2 Litre engines were interference designs that was prudent advice. Timing belts on Renault 11 SOHC also had recommended early replacement times. By contrast, IIRC, the early (1974-78) VW Gilmer belted SOHC 4 cyl. could go 60K miles before replacement.

I had a Gilmer A/C accessory belt on my Lancia fail at under 30K miles.
 

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DYI- good idea but I am not Mr. Fixit; or put another way I know my limitations. A great theorist and fan of tech but not qualified to crank the wrench.


Timing belt I wouldn't question-- serpentine belt for a main stream engine (pending throughout the FCA line) it seems to me to be overkill. I think I will call and have the tech inspect first (and not commit to the 3 hours) until 40K... If there is an issue and it's a bad call will be heading back soon enough if the Mrs. likes the 500X. And of course if it doesn't disavow the Warranty. 36K is closer to 40K anyway and I honestly baby my vehicles*


*Sorry all of you purists; knowing the capability is there is enough for me other than the occasional 'Italian Tune-up'. I love the handling and sense of the machinery.


$700 becomes about $135.


Seriously appreciate the perspective all of you! THANKS, Rob.
 

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Old timers would use a solid bar of soap and gently hold it against the back of the serpentine belt while the engine was running, to give a drying and slightly cracked belt a little more life. My old man was one of 'em, and i know first hand, IT WORKED. If you do it, just make sure you keep the bar on the outside and don't let any shaving get under the belt between the belt and the pulleys. Remember, easy does it. Don't need need a lot of pressure. Just enough so that the soap bar doesn't slide out of your hands.
 

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Old timers would use a solid bar of soap and gently hold it against the back of the serpentine belt while the engine was running, to give a drying and slightly cracked belt a little more life. My old man was one of 'em, and i know first hand, IT WORKED. If you do it, just make sure you keep the bar on the outside and don't let any shaving get under the belt between the belt and the pulleys. Remember, easy does it. Don't need need a lot of pressure. Just enough so that the soap bar doesn't slide out of your hands.
Thanks Marco- will definitely take it under advisement! Any particular brand of soap?
 

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It is the warranty I would worry about. If you plan to keep it for the full warranty period, I would replace. That way you are covered, with out any future questions if the belt did go and caused damage.



We bought our Stelvio, so I plan to follow the maintenance schedule to the letter until the warranty has expired. After that we'll see.
 

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DYI- good idea but I am not Mr. Fixit; or put another way I know my limitations. A great theorist and fan of tech but not qualified to crank the wrench.


Timing belt I wouldn't question-- serpentine belt for a main stream engine (pending throughout the FCA line) it seems to me to be overkill. I think I will call and have the tech inspect first (and not commit to the 3 hours) until 40K... If there is an issue and it's a bad call will be heading back soon enough if the Mrs. likes the 500X. And of course if it doesn't disavow the Warranty. 36K is closer to 40K anyway and I honestly baby my vehicles*


*Sorry all of you purists; knowing the capability is there is enough for me other than the occasional 'Italian Tune-up'. I love the handling and sense of the machinery.


$700 becomes about $135.


Seriously appreciate the perspective all of you! THANKS, Rob.
Maybe you can get a good Indy shop to change the belt for a lot less $ that the "stealership"......

After reading this post I opened my car's hood (a quadri) and.....I just was not even able to find the belt!!!....

it is the most complex engine that I have seen in my life....and everything is cramped.....a maze of ducts, sensors and cables.....super complex.

The Macan's engine is like a Yugo's engine compared to it.....so glad I got the extended warranty....
 

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Maybe you can get a good Indy shop to change the belt for a lot less $ that the "stealership"......

After reading this post I opened my car's hood (a quadri) and.....I just was not even able to find the belt!!!....

it is the most complex engine that I have seen in my life....and everything is cramped.....a maze of ducts, sensors and cables.....super complex.

The Macan's engine is like a Yugo's engine compared to it.....so glad I got the extended warranty....

The complexity of the engines, inadequate trained techs, poor parts supply chain and bad reliability reputation are a few reasons why these cars nose dive in price in the luxury segment. But, almost all luxury cars take a huge hit.

Wait till you get your first bill for a simple oil change. But if its any consolation at least your Quad has an oil dipstick.
 

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Maybe you can get a good Indy shop to change the belt for a lot less $ that the "stealership"......

After reading this post I opened my car's hood (a quadri) and.....I just was not even able to find the belt!!!....

it is the most complex engine that I have seen in my life....and everything is cramped.....a maze of ducts, sensors and cables.....super complex.

The Macan's engine is like a Yugo's engine compared to it.....so glad I got the extended warranty....

The complexity of the engines, inadequate trained techs, poor parts supply chain and bad reliability reputation are a few reasons why these cars nose dive in price in the luxury segment. But, almost all luxury cars take a huge hit.

Wait till you get your first bill for a simple oil change. But if its any consolation at least your Quad has an oil dipstick.
Sorry Marco- not My (nor quite a few of our) experience. In fact the opposite. The dealer has been superb. That was the reason I started the thread. First service free. 2nd was $140 (including tire rotation and extras). 30K, #3, is the first doubt.

Hate to disagree and I know you are a little sensitive, but here the glass is damned near full.

Since this is a discussion forum it seemed like a good place to ask the question there are lots of other threads for carping (check out the ACP Android Auto one for example!).
 

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Made my 30K appointment yesterday, no issues. The Service Manager noted that the serpentine belt should be replaced, a 3 hour job and which as quoted brings the bill to $700. I am tempted to pass- as noted before my Stelvio is more of a long-distance runner and has never been even near the red line. The engine is being phased into other FCA mainstream vehicles such as Cherokee and a Wrangler and others planned for the future. Hard to believe these would call for a $700 service at only 30K. So I am reading into this that Alfas, being classed as 'sporting' vehicles are assumed to be subject to severe hard use- in my case (and many of us) this is simply not the application of the vehicle. I am seriously thinking of deferring this service and instead having the tech do a visual instead.

That said, the dealer is excellent and has high credibility and I would usually be inclined to follow the advice, same as medical advice. First time I've ever questioned advice given from them/him. My wife will be pissed at a $700 bill on an almost-new vehicle + she will be with me as we are honing in on a 500X to replace her A4.

Has any other 2.0 owner had the work done? What potential effect on the Warranty? Why in this application and not mainstream vehicles with the same engine? What risk (other than failure) is there?

Interesting thread her for 2.0 in Giulia: https://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/289-alfa-romeo-giulia-general-discussion/30729-2-0-belt-service-2.html?amp=1

Thoughts? Thanks as always in advance!

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The belt can be purchased from Mopar Parts (It is less than $20). Anyone with capability to replace a lite bulb in their home should have the skill set required to install a new serpentine belt. Should require about 10 minutes of your time on the 2.0. The Quad (2.9) will take longer as you must first remove a few items to gain access. Appears From your post the price you are being quoted is likely based on the assumption you are not aware of how simple this is. I havent checked internet... you may want to research... i’d bet money the folks at advance auto or O’rileys or any other bug box auto parts suppliers would coach you and even lend you the tool required to remove tension (required to remove and install the belt).

This is definitely a DYI project it the dealer charges more than $50.
 
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