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Guys and gals, is anyone else having the CEL come on due to engine misfires? i have had my second one in 14000 miles. 1&2 cylinders are misfiring, throwing the car in to pseudo limp mode. Natural driving mode only, seems like the power has been cut back. Cannot remote start.

First time i took it to Jim Ellis in Atlanta and they basically reprogrammed the ecu's and cleared the CEL.

Anyone else have this issue?
 

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Guys and gals, is anyone else having the CEL come on due to engine misfires? i have had my second one in 14000 miles. 1&2 cylinders are misfiring, throwing the car in to pseudo limp mode. Natural driving mode only, seems like the power has been cut back. Cannot remote start.

First time i took it to Jim Ellis in Atlanta and they basically reprogrammed the ecu's and cleared the CEL.

Anyone else have this issue?

I have had this problem on my 2014 BMW X3. I bought it used so I always went to my indy mechanic who used to be a BMW dealership service center master foreman. He stated to changed all the ignition coils when a problem like this first occurs, most likely it will reoccur again. But my X3 did have 60,000+ miles on the clock before the first CEL appear. With a QV, I'm not so sure.
 

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Had it happen once at around 21k on a rainy day just after getting gas. I plugged in my bluetooth obdII reader showed a code for multiple misfires. I reset it and the car went back to normal. I figured maybe it took a gulp of bad gas or water in the fuel. It's been 3K miles (knock on wood) with no issues.
 

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Hi @911wings,

If you return to the dealer for this concern and would like additional assistance, please send our team a private message.
@Bsmarble,

If you ever experience this again, please feel free to contact us.

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Guys and gals, is anyone else having the CEL come on due to engine misfires? i have had my second one in 14000 miles. 1&2 cylinders are misfiring, throwing the car in to pseudo limp mode. Natural driving mode only, seems like the power has been cut back. Cannot remote start.

First time i took it to Jim Ellis in Atlanta and they basically reprogrammed the ecu's and cleared the CEL.

Anyone else have this issue?



On more than one occasion when I start my car from cold I hear a ticking noise under the hood Accompanied by what sounds like a slight popping in the exhaust.


More than one owner has had an engine replaced for deactivation valve / valvetrain issues right?


My fear is that this has to be the valves in the cylinder head that shift to deactivate cylinders might not be exactly where they are supposed to be at all times or something along those lines. Sticking?



No detectable or indicated misfires and this really has me scratching my head.


Absolutely thrilled with my car with 4K on the clock and about to do my first oil change.
 

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So the CEL went off on it is own over the weekend. I live in a very small town and our 3 gas stations get fillups multiple times a week. I suspect that there is a fair amount of sediment that gets stirred up and/or maybe some water got in there. Everything seems normal now so I will wait till my next normal service, 20k miles. I think thats also when the fuel filter gets replaced as well...
 

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On more than one occasion when I start my car from cold I hear a ticking noise under the hood Accompanied by what sounds like a slight popping in the exhaust.


More than one owner has had an engine replaced for deactivation valve / valvetrain issues right?


My fear is that this has to be the valves in the cylinder head that shift to deactivate cylinders might not be exactly where they are supposed to be at all times or something along those lines. Sticking?



No detectable or indicated misfires and this really has me scratching my head.


Absolutely thrilled with my car with 4K on the clock and about to do my first oil change.
Hi FOURCED,

We certainly understand why this would be concerning. Please let us know via private message if you decide to have your dealer look into this. We would be happy to provide an additional layer of assistance during that process.

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On more than one occasion when I start my car from cold I hear a ticking noise under the hood Accompanied by what sounds like a slight popping in the exhaust.


More than one owner has had an engine replaced for deactivation valve / valvetrain issues right?


My fear is that this has to be the valves in the cylinder head that shift to deactivate cylinders might not be exactly where they are supposed to be at all times or something along those lines. Sticking?



No detectable or indicated misfires and this really has me scratching my head.


Absolutely thrilled with my car with 4K on the clock and about to do my first oil change.
The ticking noise is common for direct injection engines when cold. Also there is a clicking noise from the waste gate actuator when engine is cold (which is also common and normal - when cold there are tolerances to account for the metal expansion when hot). You can verify it by holding the arm that connects the actuator with the waste gate on the turbo. It goes away after the waste gate is closed (after 1-2 minutes of idling cold).
 

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The ticking noise is common for direct injection engines when cold. Also there is a clicking noise from the waste gate actuator when engine is cold (which is also common and normal - when cold there are tolerances to account for the metal expansion when hot). You can verify it by holding the arm that connects the actuator with the waste gate on the turbo. It goes away after the waste gate is closed (after 1-2 minutes of idling cold).

Are you saying the computer holds the wastegates open during warmup?


It won't be easy to feel but I'm going to try because that Would account for the slight popping or change in the exhaust note for sure.


Interesting!
 

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Yes it it holds the waste gate open during warm up. I think it opens it as soon as the gearbox goes to P, because I cannot hear the turbo spool up when in P.
 

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On more than one occasion when I start my car from cold I hear a ticking noise under the hood Accompanied by what sounds like a slight popping in the exhaust.

This happened to me several times, took it to the dealer but they could not replicate the issue......basically when starting the car, and always when it has been sitting more than two days without being started.....usually it goes like rough iddle....then the CEL lights begin to flash and I get the message "check electronic throttle control module" and after that the DNA mode selector can not be activated.....but after less than a minute it dissappears.....

well today the CEL light dissapeared but the car kept working only with 4 or 5 cylinders.....very rough.....I kept driving like that and after a couple of minutes the cylinders began to work again......I know this car loves to be driven everyday and hard but I can not believe that I have to start the car everyday for this to not happen......!!!
I stopped, turned the engine off, and when I turned it on again the DNA selector worked....

Last time when I took it to the dealer they just erased the codes and told me that the car was working fine.....but I dont think this can be normal to happen at start up.....

I dont think its a battery voltage issue.....more a problem with the oil or the spark plugs or ignition??......and it always happens when the car is cold and when the cars has not been started in a couple of days......

The only time it happened once not at start up was when I left the car iddling for a long time while I was washing the car......it happened but went away after some acceleration.....


More than one owner has had an engine replaced for deactivation valve / valvetrain issues right?


My fear is that this has to be the valves in the cylinder head that shift to deactivate cylinders might not be exactly where they are supposed to be at all times or something along those lines. Sticking?



No detectable or indicated misfires and this really has me scratching my head.


Absolutely thrilled with my car with 4K on the clock and about to do my first oil change.
On more than one occasion when I start my car from cold I hear a ticking noise under the hood Accompanied by what sounds like a slight popping in the exhaust.


More than one owner has had an engine replaced for deactivation valve / valvetrain issues right?


My fear is that this has to be the valves in the cylinder head that shift to deactivate cylinders might not be exactly where they are supposed to be at all times or something along those lines. Sticking?



No detectable or indicated misfires and this really has me scratching my head.


Absolutely thrilled with my car with 4K on the clock and about to do my first oil change.
This happened to me several times, took it to the dealer but they could not replicate the issue......basically when starting the car, and always when it has been sitting more than two days without being started.....usually it goes like rough iddle....then the CEL lights begin to flash and I get the message "check electronic throttle control module" and after that the DNA mode selector can not be activated.....but after less than a minute it dissappears.....

well today the CEL light dissapeared but the car kept working only with 4 or 5 cylinders.....very rough.....I kept driving like that and after a couple of minutes the cylinders began to work again......I know this car loves to be driven everyday and hard but I can not believe that I have to start the car everyday for this to not happen......!!!
I stopped, turned the engine off, and when I turned it on again the DNA selector worked....

Last time when I took it to the dealer they just erased the codes and told me that the car was working fine.....but I dont think this can be normal to happen at start up.....

I dont think its a battery voltage issue.....more a problem with the oil or the spark plugs or ignition??......and it always happens when the car is cold and when the cars has not been started in a couple of days......

The only time it happened once not at start up was when I left the car iddling for a long time while I was washing the car......it happened but went away after some acceleration.....
 

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This happened to me several times, took it to the dealer but they could not replicate the issue......basically when starting the car, and always when it has been sitting more than two days without being started.....usually it goes like rough iddle....then the CEL lights begin to flash and I get the message "check electronic throttle control module" and after that the DNA mode selector can not be activated.....but after less than a minute it dissappears.....

well today the CEL light dissapeared but the car kept working only with 4 or 5 cylinders.....very rough.....I kept driving like that and after a couple of minutes the cylinders began to work again......I know this car loves to be driven everyday and hard but I can not believe that I have to start the car everyday for this to not happen......!!!
I stopped, turned the engine off, and when I turned it on again the DNA selector worked....

Last time when I took it to the dealer they just erased the codes and told me that the car was working fine.....but I dont think this can be normal to happen at start up.....

I dont think its a battery voltage issue.....more a problem with the oil or the spark plugs or ignition??......and it always happens when the car is cold and when the cars has not been started in a couple of days......

The only time it happened once not at start up was when I left the car iddling for a long time while I was washing the car......it happened but went away after some acceleration.....
Any updates on your vehicle? I had the same issues as far as multiple misfires in less than a month and my dealer just replaced my low pressure fuel pump and controller
 

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Any updates on your vehicle? I had the same issues as far as multiple misfires in less than a month and my dealer just replaced my low pressure fuel pump and controller
hey,, is it fixed after they replaced the fuel pump ? i remember you said they told you a low fuel pressure was the problem .
 

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Same issues with my car. I have escalatd this up with Alfa support and car is still in the shop. Alfa knows there are issues and is not providing dealers with solution. Thats why they changed there injection system from only direct injection to a dual direct /port injection starting in 2020. They are running the clock out on our warranties
 

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Got my 2nd CEL in the past few weeks today and pulled the code. Cyl 1 misfire. Also got the “service electronic throttle control” message. I get many of the service warnings but the CELs are new. I’m wondering if this is an electronics/battery issue and not actually a misfire. Cold start idle is always rough until warm up is complete. I’ll call the dealer in the morning.
 

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Got my 2nd CEL in the past few weeks today and pulled the code. Cyl 1 misfire. Also got the “service electronic throttle control” message. I get many of the service warnings but the CELs are new. I’m wondering if this is an electronics/battery issue and not actually a misfire. Cold start idle is always rough until warm up is complete. I’ll call the dealer in the morning.
Took it in to AR of Chicago this morning. This is the 2nd time I've been there. Today I was promptly sent home because "there's nothing we can do if the light isn't on". I chatted with the service manager. Here are a few nuggets from that conversation:

"If the light comes on, drive it for a week, if still on then bring it in"
"Don't read the codes. Don't clear the codes." (me: Why don't read the codes?), "Just don't"
"This is a problem that's not a problem but a miscommunication that reads as a misfire" (This seems to indicate familiarity with the specific problem).

He also kept asking me what message was with the light. I told him the throttle control message. He seemed to be implying that the message was the reason for the CEL. I told him those red messages are independent of the CEL. I've gotten plenty of those (throttle control, transmission, forward collision, headlights/signal failure) without a CEL.

I also tried to get him to perform the 3rd service (I'm about 35 days out according to the maintenance minder) since I was already there and didn't feel like coming back in a month. He told me, just wait for the light/message to indicate you need service, don't do anything early. I'm all for a service dept NOT doing anything unnecessary, but, at some point, my time and convenience is worth doing it early. I'd already taken the morning off work and rescheduled my day in anticipation of this. Now I'll have to do it again in 35 days.

At the end, his message was: this is a great car, drive it, enjoy it, if you get these lights, pull over, turn it off, turn it back on, it'll probably clear.

Not the most comforting message...

cc: @AlfaRomeoCares
 

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Lmao, that is a new level of unprofessional. Yeah, its a great car ..too bad the dealer service is complete crap. Dont feel bad, unfortunately a lot of these dealers suck. I thought mine is bad ..
 

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The dealers are the biggest problem for the brand.

The official word is that is being worked on..so...fingers crossed...
This dealer group is no stranger to luxury brands either. The service center handles Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati, & Alfa. I switched to them recently since they're pretty close to my office. I had been going to the dealership where I purchased the car and was pretty happy. Unfortunately, the owner's divorce meant his ex-wife got the Alfa dealership and she promptly sold it to another dealer group that's further away. I may have to start going to them despite how much more inconvenient it is. They're the ones who performed the most recent maintenance and I didn't get the sense they would be dismissive of my concerns.
 
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