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I took my Stelvio Quad to Iowa to hang out with my daughters, attend the Madison county covered bridge festival, and visit the casino. I programmed the Alfa's GPS for the casino leaving the last covered bridge.

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Not sure why Alfa thought this was a road. Anyway, it took two tow trucks 4 1/2 hours to get the car out.

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There doesn't seem to be any damage. The biggest issue was getting the mud out of the wheels so they were balanced. I drove home to Minneapolis- no problems and no warning lights. Nothing obvious missing or hanging down. The only damage I've seen so for is some bent areas in the heat shields and disk brake shields. I haven't got all the mud off yet so there may still be something worse.

My daughter was driving. I was in the back seat not paying as much attention as I should.

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Sorry to see this Bill. Just awful.
Not sure she is to blame but when she saw that road I hoped she said "Dad should we keep going?"
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Hmm, maybe next time she sees deep ruts she will put the tires on the high and dry part.
If she likes mudding, some tall profile tread appropriate tires would help.
Aside from that, you can get anything stuck- its off road human nature to overestimate a vehicles abilities.
Good to see you've been putting the miles on!
 

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The ruts left behind the car are impressive!!! Looking at the drop into the rut, and the front of the rear tire it looks like the car basically dug down maybe 6-7 inches to find enough grip to move then plowed through the mud till available traction couldn't allow it to push anymore. Which also looks to be right where the mud pit ended. So really, it got you through the entier mud pit but there wasn't enough traction for the car to climb out of the hole it dug itself in.

...and this is with the stock high performance summer tires yes? The ones not rated for any type of mud or snow use.

yeah..
sucks getting stuck but, that is pretty dang impressive man. A Jeep Wrangler with the same type of tires wouldn't have done better.
If you had all weathers..probably wouldn't have gotten stuck. If you'de had a couple 2x4s...would have gotten out. I think if you had dug all that mud from in front of the rear tires so it wasn't fighting that mass to push up onto the dry ground, you would have gotten out (understand why you're call a tow truck though) Yeah....it ain't a Jeep, but Jeep ain't an Alfa either. (Except for the one that is, oh..and the 4cyl engine..)

Now you get to say you went mudding in a high performance SUV with your Daughter! Priceless memories🤣
 

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There was a less viscous mud patch before and I told her to stay out of the ruts. She did well on that one. On this one she started out OK but didn't react fast enough when it started to slide into the ruts. It's one of those things. I grew up doing this kind of thing all the time. I run into similar situations at work with younger engineers. Things that are obvious to me are not known by others with less experience. You can't summarize years of experience in two sentences of advice. My car got dirty, I'm out $500 for the tow, and the girls had an adventure they will talk about for years.

As to why I didn't stop them, here are a couple pictures of my last car.

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The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.
 

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Human nature to overestimate a vehicles abilities.
You need to carry some carpet and a shovel!
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Words of Wisdom:

Four wheel drive(or all wheel drive) doesn't keep you from getting stuck, it just gets you stuck in worse places.

GPS reads maps not road condition. If a road looks sketchy, don't turn onto the sketchy road, continue on the road you are on and let the GPS reroute you.
 

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Same/Similar to Felnus above:

Four wheel drive: Gets you stuck in places you could never get to before!
 

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I took my Stelvio Quad to Iowa to hang out with my daughters, attend the Madison county covered bridge festival, and visit the casino. I programmed the Alfa's GPS for the casino leaving the last covered bridge.

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Not sure why Alfa thought this was a road. Anyway, it took two tow trucks 4 1/2 hours to get the car out.

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There doesn't seem to be any damage. The biggest issue was getting the mud out of the wheels so they were balanced. I drove home to Minneapolis- no problems and no warning lights. Nothing obvious missing or hanging down. The only damage I've seen so for is some bent areas in the heat shields and disk brake shields. I haven't got all the mud off yet so there may still be something worse.

My daughter was driving. I was in the back seat not paying as much attention as I should.

Bill
2018 Stelvio Quad with 38k miles.
Same/Similar to Felnus above:

Four wheel drive: Gets you stuck in places you could never get to before!
Just deep mud, unfortunate. On drier jeep tracks the Stelvio performs admirably. When I picked up my 2018 Stelvio Quad in AZ I drove it back to NM. I-40 shut down due to a major accident and I said screw it, I'll go south to the Zuni Pueblo and go home from there. The road changed from paved to gravel, then climbed over the summits of Cibola National Forest on a Forest road jeep track. The only other vehicles I saw were two ATV's. I made it on the stock summer tires.
 

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Please don't tell me you did that on PZeros? Maybe you grew up in Iowa but if you were on stock rubber, its a miracle you made that far. Put a set of PZeros on a Jeep and see how quickly it gets stuck.............
 
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Seriously..my Porsche once got stuck on a foot wide strip of ice on a driveway. Had to park outside, the strip was right at the top of a steep driveway right before the garage door, literally could not get past it, those tires turned to hockey pucks with no grip the second they touched ice.

For those who follow..that is what began the chain of events that led to the battery freezing and my not being able to open the hood to replace it because the hood release is electric. Fun times with superior engineering.

To be fair though I don't think the OP was trying to trash the capabilities of the car, more sharing a pretty sweet story and hopefully memory him and his daughter can laugh about for years...and he's right, totally not a Jeep. That poor Quad looks borderline offended to be stuck.
 

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Interesting conversations. The Quad has Goodyear all season tires on it with around 500 miles on them. It wasn't a traction issue. The Quad will actually spin all four wheels which is better than most of the cars/jeeps/trucks I've gotten stuck over my years of farming/hunting/general stupidity. The issue was that it was high-centered and the mud was too deep to get anything under the wheels without a lifting mechanism that wouldn't sink into the mud. We tried to improve traction/add fill the gap under the tires with the materials that were available- grass, brush, sticks. However it was the end of the day so I decided to stop and call the wrecker.

I don't think the Quad was offended. If anything, it was proud it made it that far. I shared because it is an interesting story. We followed the GPS. It routed us on a "road" that wasn't appropriate for the car. It was an adventure until I realized my daughter wasn't going to repeat what she did for the previous mud patch and just barreled into the ruts. Once we were in, I figured momentum was our best weapon. If we had made it five more feet we would have been through. Live and learn.

One more interesting note. We walked out forward. There was no way we would have been able to get through the rest of the path. There were rutted hills with rocks that would bash an aluminum sump to pieces. The entrance at the other end had a sign warning that the road was unimproved and enter at your own risk. There was a road closed sign that was pulled off to the side. The part we entered had no such warnings.

Bill
PS I wouldn't buy a used car from me or anyone in my family either.
 

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The ability to spin the wheels when needed - even with traction control on - is a big part of what separates this AWD system from most AWD systems.

All-weathers makes sense, was thinking that was a pretty herculean task on summer tires. A Jeep - with the right AWD system would have made it. Depending on the Jeep, and how it was optioned 🤪.
 

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"Momentum"
I'll go with that, your inexperienced daughter just wasn't going fast enough!
When in doubt, more throttle!
Quite an assortment of lowering springs out there, but I haven't seen any to raise it.
So tall profile mudder tires are the only option, and that would take care of the dreaded gap that the lowering springs are mostly haha purchased to alleviate.
 

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Did take my 1978 VW scirocco in deep wet mud what I was 17. Made it through about a mile of rutted trails, rally car style. I’m totally surprised looking back I didn’t get a $4000 towing bill. Would have been impossible to get a tow truck out there.
 
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