Nice work. As someone who will likely want to do this as well, would you suggest taking it to your friendly local mechanic?
Sgw bypass
Just installed 2 sets of wires so you can reach it behind the eyeglass holder on a 2021
I have only one thing to say.
You couldn’t pay me enough to do that again.
I have only one thing to say.
You couldn’t pay me enough to do that again.
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Not sure they will do it. It is an utter pita. I removed the eyeglass holder. The bottom of the steering column shroud and the lower plastic cover under the dash that seems to like to lose the white clip covers and will scratch the crap out of the car if you don’t tape it. I taped it with blue tape before lowering it.
I wore short fingerless gloves. I have big hands and they got shredded so put the gloves on. I got the plugs out not too bad but putting them back at the angle was a pain. I wound up guiding them with my right hand from underneath while the left hand was in the meat grinder. Routed everything to the eyeglass case. You will need 2 sets. Don’t go in there with only 1 set. The meat grinder is not fun if you don’t have small hands
I wore short fingerless gloves. I have big hands and they got shredded so put the gloves on. I got the plugs out not too bad but putting them back at the angle was a pain. I wound up guiding them with my right hand from underneath while the left hand was in the meat grinder. Routed everything to the eyeglass case. You will need 2 sets. Don’t go in there with only 1 set. The meat grinder is not fun if you don’t have small hands
And I lowered the radio. Removed both bolts and lowered it so I could get more room from the top. The 2021 have plenty of wire room and are designed it seems to be lowered to be replaced.
Yup. I read the same horror stories as I wanted to install the SGW bypass with a pair of the new wire extensions. After doing research and reading forums......NOPE~!! That'll be a pass from me dawg.
Giulia = no problem.
Stelvio = hell no.
Giulia = no problem.
Stelvio = hell no.
Its a meat grinder in there. Its like they didn't want people to get to it. If you take your time it can be done.
Yeah my hands and arms took a beating accessing it to take the bolts out. Glad I only have to do it once. The wire extensions make a huge difference afterwardsIts a meat grinder in there. Its like they didn't want people to get to it. If you take your time it can be done.
I didn’t remove any of the 3 bolts from the bypass. I just unplugged and plugged in.
I would love to hear from anyone here with a 2018 Stelvio Q4. I have read multiple install write-ups, You Tube, etc. For the life of me, I cannot find this module. And I'm all cut up just trying to find it. Did they put in a 'special' place in 2018..? Bloody hell!
same place as on all Stelvios.I would love to hear from anyone here with a 2018 Stelvio Q4. I have read multiple install write-ups, You Tube, etc. For the life of me, I cannot find this module. And I'm all cut up just trying to find it. Did they put in a 'special' place in 2018..? Bloody hell!
2018s do not have SGW, i thought? I can use MES with no problem. This is a good thing!I would love to hear from anyone here with a 2018 Stelvio Q4. I have read multiple install write-ups, You Tube, etc. For the life of me, I cannot find this module. And I'm all cut up just trying to find it. Did they put in a 'special' place in 2018..? Bloody hell!
Google is your friend.
1/2018.
If your car has a build date before that you don't have an SGW. After but a 2018 model year still, you might have it or might not, it appears the device was phased in to 100% usage quickly but not immediately. Not sure but maybe. 2019 or newer 100% you have it
1/2018.
If your car has a build date before that you don't have an SGW. After but a 2018 model year still, you might have it or might not, it appears the device was phased in to 100% usage quickly but not immediately. Not sure but maybe. 2019 or newer 100% you have it
Keep people from messing with the software of their own car.
Auto manufacturers are trying very hard to pass laws that say, when you buy a car in the USA, while the mechanical vehicle is yours, the physical sheet metal and parts, the software that runs the vehicle, that belongs to the manufacturer and no one else can touch it. SGW's are way to force that reality on consumers.
Auto manufacturers are trying very hard to pass laws that say, when you buy a car in the USA, while the mechanical vehicle is yours, the physical sheet metal and parts, the software that runs the vehicle, that belongs to the manufacturer and no one else can touch it. SGW's are way to force that reality on consumers.
Everything You Need to Know About the Chrysler Security Gateway
By: Chris Lira (Revised 12/28/2019)
In 2015, a pair of hackers were able to reverse engineer security vulnerabilities in a Jeep Cherokee using nothing more than a laptop and a hot spot. The two successfully took control over the vehicle while it was being driven by a writer for Wired. The exploit was buried within the Cherokee’s cellular connectivity, used for providing in-car Wi-Fi and for feeding firmware updates to the vehicle’s on-board computer. Here’s the full article if you’re interested in reading all about it. Suffice it to say, the bigwigs at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) were not pleased and decided to drop the hammer. Hard.
Beginning in 2018, FCA began manufacturing vehicles with a Security Gateway Module (SGM) that blocked direct communication to and through the OBD2 port to the vehicle, effectively limiting communications to basic diagnostics. It also effectively isolated the CAN bus from being directly penetrable by aftermarket diagnostics and programming tools. Up until recently, only the dealerships had the tools and technology to bypass this security measure. Not only is the dealer tool expensive, but there are subscription/usage costs involved as well as the requirement to have an active internet connection. This left no options for the aftermarket world.
Mike added comments; and to have Alfa Romeo owners develop Tourette's Syndrome while we attempt to install extensions to the SGW module for a quick connection to a SGW bypass when needed.
Just say'n...
Mike
By: Chris Lira (Revised 12/28/2019)
In 2015, a pair of hackers were able to reverse engineer security vulnerabilities in a Jeep Cherokee using nothing more than a laptop and a hot spot. The two successfully took control over the vehicle while it was being driven by a writer for Wired. The exploit was buried within the Cherokee’s cellular connectivity, used for providing in-car Wi-Fi and for feeding firmware updates to the vehicle’s on-board computer. Here’s the full article if you’re interested in reading all about it. Suffice it to say, the bigwigs at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) were not pleased and decided to drop the hammer. Hard.
Beginning in 2018, FCA began manufacturing vehicles with a Security Gateway Module (SGM) that blocked direct communication to and through the OBD2 port to the vehicle, effectively limiting communications to basic diagnostics. It also effectively isolated the CAN bus from being directly penetrable by aftermarket diagnostics and programming tools. Up until recently, only the dealerships had the tools and technology to bypass this security measure. Not only is the dealer tool expensive, but there are subscription/usage costs involved as well as the requirement to have an active internet connection. This left no options for the aftermarket world.
Mike added comments; and to have Alfa Romeo owners develop Tourette's Syndrome while we attempt to install extensions to the SGW module for a quick connection to a SGW bypass when needed.
Just say'n...
Mike
And yet.... A thief can still hack into the system by accessing wires at the front bumper/headlight/radar unit.
My inner 16y/o is in the corner coughing then saying BS....
Not to mention, how does keeping people from accessing a wifi exploit or any other vulnerability, have anything to do with owners trying to fix their own car? Not like thieves are using MultiECUScan or anything similar, or even accessing those parts of the system. (Also... The thieves in that article didn't even use wires. It was all wireless)
Real question, I do not understand given how the quoted goals and actual results seem to be so different, why the SGW was need to solve that problem. Seems like there are a lot of pre-existing ways to secure wifi that still allows the owner to access their own systems. Like... A lot, a lot of ways.
Not saying the person who lived through that didn't go through a horrible thing no one should, or that FCA shouldn't have responded. Saying, what they did, and what they say they did don't seem to be exactly the same. No doubt they fixed that exploit.... Then added a ton of stuff that really had nothing to do with it but does meet their long term goals of restricting repairs to their networks while limiting the owners ability to access systems in the car. Just expressing my take on the SGW and how it's addition was more than the article gives credit for. IMO that was more an excuse than a reason, wouldn't be surprised if the unit had already been in development.
My inner 16y/o is in the corner coughing then saying BS....
Not to mention, how does keeping people from accessing a wifi exploit or any other vulnerability, have anything to do with owners trying to fix their own car? Not like thieves are using MultiECUScan or anything similar, or even accessing those parts of the system. (Also... The thieves in that article didn't even use wires. It was all wireless)
Real question, I do not understand given how the quoted goals and actual results seem to be so different, why the SGW was need to solve that problem. Seems like there are a lot of pre-existing ways to secure wifi that still allows the owner to access their own systems. Like... A lot, a lot of ways.
Not saying the person who lived through that didn't go through a horrible thing no one should, or that FCA shouldn't have responded. Saying, what they did, and what they say they did don't seem to be exactly the same. No doubt they fixed that exploit.... Then added a ton of stuff that really had nothing to do with it but does meet their long term goals of restricting repairs to their networks while limiting the owners ability to access systems in the car. Just expressing my take on the SGW and how it's addition was more than the article gives credit for. IMO that was more an excuse than a reason, wouldn't be surprised if the unit had already been in development.
ALFAROAD,And yet.... A thief can still hack into the system by accessing wires at the front bumper/headlight/radar unit.
My inner 16y/o is in the corner coughing then saying BS....
Not to mention, how does keeping people from accessing a wifi exploit or any other vulnerability, have anything to do with owners trying to fix their own car? Not like thieves are using MultiECUScan or anything similar, or even accessing those parts of the system. (Also... The thieves in that article didn't even use wires. It was all wireless)
Real question, I do not understand given how the quoted goals and actual results seem to be so different, why the SGW was need to solve that problem. Seems like there are a lot of pre-existing ways to secure wifi that still allows the owner to access their own systems. Like... A lot, a lot of ways.
Not saying the person who lived through that didn't go through a horrible thing no one should, or that FCA shouldn't have responded. Saying, what they did, and what they say they did don't seem to be exactly the same. No doubt they fixed that exploit.... Then added a ton of stuff that really had nothing to do with it but does meet their long term goals of restricting repairs to their networks while limiting the owners ability to access systems in the car. Just expressing my take on the SGW and how it's addition was more than the article gives credit for. IMO that was more an excuse than a reason, wouldn't be surprised if the unit had already been in development.
There is a "radar" shield system for sale at several Alfa Romeo aftermarket dealers, i.e. Alfissimo, Centerline, etc...
It does require that you remove the front bumper to install it. Something I really do not want to do at this time.
The SGW module prevents (supposed to) over-the-air access by unauthorized folks. Also, if you look at the operating systems that are required for the tools for our automobiles you will see a trend, really not up to date with other technology.
No matter what manufacturers do to prevent theft, someone will always figure out a way around it. Just look at credit card skimmers. I went back to the U.S. for only one week and my credit card was compromised. I only used it at fast food restaurants and two different gas stations. I also received a letter from AT&T stating that my CC credentials were compromised and I used my Apple Card there. Nothing could be charged since the CVV rotates every 24 hours. Six full days in the U.S. and three attempts to charge fraudulently on two different CCs.
Thieves will always find a way to make an easy buck at our cost.
Sorry for being such a downer prior to a weekend. Appreciate your thoughts on the subject. It is something that needs serious attention from the manufactures.
Mike
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