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Jags Gill may be of of biggest programming geniuses in the automotive industry.
The tune (please don't say chip its the 21st century) will bring our 2.0 up to 320HP, 364Ft-LBS TQ!!
+40Hp, +58 ft-lbs tq. I have never had an issue with his tunes and every vehicle has not only been quicker but has gotten better mileage. see sig for RRS tune!!! Pretty stout for a tune and 3mm smaller pulley!
 

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I use the Code my Car guys in Northern NJ. OK is a real nice guy and the mechanic was the quietest I have ever experienced.
 

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Jags Gill may be of of biggest programming geniuses in the automotive industry.
The tune (please don't say chip its the 21st century) will bring our 2.0 up to 320HP, 364Ft-LBS TQ!!
+40Hp, +58 ft-lbs tq. I have never had an issue with his tunes and every vehicle has not only been quicker but has gotten better mileage. see sig for RRS tune!!! Pretty stout for a tune and 3mm smaller pulley!
So... im a bit curious about your thoughts. Obviously a tune itself cannot void a warranty, and the tune for which you speak will most like make the car run better;however, I am a bit concerned what effect having this tune will have, if you have a failure in a related system, for example the transmission. Alfa could potentially deny a claim for any powertrain related system saying the additional HP contributed to the failure. Even if you had the ability to flash back the factory tune, they would be able to see that you did it. What are your thoughts?
Thanks,
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When you tune with ETG, they will redo your tune 2x, so I suppose if you needed to deal with something they could put you back to stock and I bet they could do it remotely as that is how they tuned my XK to begin with.
 

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$$$ big medical bills!!
 

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Well the time is getting near and I am going to be fair to our sponsors at Madness. I have done both kinds of tune in the past. I tuned my 2011 BMW X5d via a Burger Motorsports piggyback to the tune of going from 265hp/425ft-lbs Tq stock to 320/525 when dialed up to 10. I usually ran at ~8 which was supposedly ~310/520. It made a serious difference in the vehicle. I removed and sold it separately later. That would be like the Madness product at $499. On the other end of the spectrum is my ETG ECU reprogram which, as posted above, made the biggest difference I have ever experienced in a vehicle. Their tune is $995 on a Steelvio. It was, of course more on the RRS due to pulley swap. Once I have my recall done, I really don't pay a lot of heed to warranties as they all seem to have more exclusions than inclusions when you read the fine print so both options are real to me.



So Madness, granted they tend to be a bit hype happy with their descriptors, does seem to potentially be a better bang for the buck ??stronger tune than ETG if the 20% is the real deal. ETG has dynoed all vehicles they do prior to relase so their numbers are extremely reproducible.

So do I want what I consider a relatively bulletproof 320/364 upgrade via ETG or do I push the envelope with the Madness product and get a few extra HP under ideal conditions. I know we have bunch of folks here that have done a fair amount of customization. What I do know from being there when my RRS was tuned is Jags logs in to every tune, checks the specs and tweaks them for each individual vehicle before allowing the new upload. It will require a lot more time and effort for the ETG tune. What do you folks prefer? I remember on my 04 STi with Cobb tuning that the attraction of changing things wore out quickly so the bluetooth option does not interest me to be fair. I just stuck with the 93 octane tune for years and let my right foot determine the "MODE" I was in. I know they hate my saying it, but once again, I'd love to see how the area under the curve changes from stock to ECM. I have realized that intake/exhaust changes on our cars are more ear candy than the ~5hp one can expect so that should have little effect if added later. I have provided both links for folks to evaluate. THis is closer than it appears in my thread as $500 is $500 and if you folks think I will get 99% of the result with a madness ecm without have to drive 2.5 hrs and wait 1-3 hrs......



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Agreed. I'd love to see tune alone tests as they seem to favor their Phase 1. I DO NOT want some noisy blow offsounds CAI. That seems to be worth only 3-4 HP anyway. Hardly a good deal for the $$$. Time will tell. Still leaning towards ETG for the tune and done with it simplicity. Just a clean 93 tune that doesn't add any additional hypersensitivity.
 

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Agreed. I'd love to see tune alone tests as they seem to favor their Phase 1. I DO NOT want some noisy blow offsounds CAI. That seems to be worth only 3-4 HP anyway. Hardly a good deal for the $$$. Time will tell. Still leaning towards ETG for the tune and done with it simplicity. Just a clean 93 tune that doesn't add any additional hypersensitivity.
I agree with you on the blow off sounds (on that CAI). When I was watching that (eurocompulsion) video I was taken back to the late 90’s when a friend of a friend took me out in his ‘tuned’ Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon with Greddy blow off valves. A bit too ‘Fast and Furious’ for my current tastes. But I guess to each there own. Yeah that eurocompulsion dyno chart is a bit of a puzzle. Not sure why they didn’t test each modification individually to be more straightforward. The thing is when I read such (vanilla) comments as "I ‘noticed’ a difference when I unplugged the unit (Madness piggyback unit for example) I’m not as excited about that unit as I would be as if someone where to say that "it’s not even the same car when I unplugged it in" or "as soon as I installed it I feel a night and day difference, feels like a totally different car" etc. You know like the kind of reviews your hear from people who install a jb4 in their bmw’s. I think that I’d like to do more than only "notice" a difference for $600. But I haven’t read many reviews on that unit to be fair. It would be nice to know if anyone is having any exciting experiences with it or other tunes they tried.
 

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Just stating facts here...

The previous video also includes the EC v2 air intake which is open box and more than likely their "go pedal" which gets you to WOT quicker. That alone even with out a tune or after market blow-off valve will make that noise. If you plan on doing only the tune or installing a closed box air intake (aFe) the noise is not as noticeable but you still here a little.

All these tunes are great as long as they're tested on a dyno and configured properly. It's not a "one size" fits all type of deal and each person will have their own tastes and preferences. I don't know which of the three tuning companies is better but i will explain below why i chose EC for tuning.

The big selling point on EC is that you can revert back to stock without calling anyone or doing anything remotely. Included in the tune is the configuration devices so you can easily swap back and forth from stock to tuned at will. The good thing about this is that i can remove the tune during winter months (based in Chicago) and slap it back on in the spring. I really don't need all that HP in snow :) The second reason why i chose this is that EC is not only stopping on a single tune. Part of the package includes a more aggressive tune (should be released any day now) for those that really want to take their car to the next level. These two points helped me decided on EC over others. This doesn't mean it's the best but it was the best given my requirements.

The blow-off noise will certainly increase, the turbo is pushing @stock around 22-23psi so after the tune you're a lot higher in psi. Simple physics explains the additional noise. With that being said, open air CAI also produce a noticeable noise factor, i compare this to a home vacuum (not dyson lol) which is easily mistaken for a blow-off noise.

Hope this helps! I would recommend for anyone interested to head over to the giulia forums as all the tunes have been beaten to death long ago. Plenty of reviews and information to help you decide.
 

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For what it's worth Eurocompulsion does have a dyno with only their V2 intake compared to stock. It shows roughly an 8hp and 15lb-ft increase in power. However it is in a Giulia but I would think it would be pretty similar and carry over to the Stelvio.
 

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Yea, Madness gets no where's near those numbers with their CAI. I am deep in the comparison stage. Anyone here actually done a madness v EC comparo. That would be cool to see if EC is worth twice the Madness cost. ETG is still my 1 and done choice but.....
I am trying to figure out what Alfa left on the table as their plumbing looks pretty **** straight and smooth. Is it the tubing or the new clean high flow filter??
 

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plenty of discussion / results / reviews on the giulia forum.
EC has their own dyno, and delayed putting a tune out until it could be done with the benefit of a dyno which actually works with the Alfa, which is apparently quite rare.
 

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plenty of discussion / results / reviews on the giulia forum.
EC has their own dyno, and delayed putting a tune out until it could be done with the benefit of a dyno which actually works with the Alfa, which is apparently quite rare.
Exactly this. EC dyno is way more acute on numbers compared to others. Many of their products were delayed until they got the dyno part locked down.

Something to keep in mind with all dyno reads, Giulia from what I understood is underrated on the reported HP of 280hp. There are plenty of theories flowing around if that is true or not. My butt dyno always agreed that there are more than 280 ponies under the hood. I think the reported true HP is around the 300 mark.
 

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Is it the rear drive bias /AWD on dyno causing the TC to kick in. Can some drag a link of this stuff over from Guilia land? Might the HP numbers also be because the factory numbers use 91 octane v readily available 93 octane?? I know with STi's that made significant differences.
 
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