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Stellantis is not selling Alfa and Maserati to the Chinese. That’s utterly ridiculous, but I did hear from a dealership source that VW did make an unsolicited offer for Maserati. That is way more plausible.
I share your sentiments, with the exception of it being ridiculous. The word id use is sacrilegious. Would break my heart. however, when you are a CEO of a failing company, or even underperforming vs peers, then anything is on the table. The valuable brands will yield the greatest return, and as noted, the Chinese need to expand beyond their own market and change their image so they will likely pay whatever it takes. anything is possible. I’m betting they might even outperform the idiots in the Stellantis asylum. Wouldn’t that be something…..
 
The lucrative Covid years market for cars that were affected by the lack of components and people earning money without having, in many cases, to travel to a workplace created a mini boom for the car industry. Dropping prices does very little for the car makers self worth in the eyes of the customers.
 
The lucrative Covid years market for cars that were affected by the lack of components and people earning money without having, in many cases, to travel to a workplace created a mini boom for the car industry. Dropping prices does very little for the car makers self worth in the eyes of the customers.
But it’s required to sell cars, especially Alfas.

 
Very badly marketed or the market doesn’t suit/deserve it. The cars could well be worth cheapening for the US market as it’s better than Alfa could get away with. Like McDonald’s selling steaks when the customer wants MRM.
 
Those are MY2023 QVs, so almost 2 years old. But, even a 2024 would have more discounting than an Audi or BMW.

Cars aren’t worth what the company thinks, it’s what the market demands. The market says Alfas are worth at least $6-10k less, and Stellantis/Dealers know this, so they are willing to offer deep discounts.

They need to meet that price and stop playing games. Offering massive discounts hurts resale too.
 
They shouldn’t overstock. You never see this in the U.K. If there’s demand then meet it rather than this stupid devaluation to the cars by sticking too many on the forecourt without marketing support and awareness.
 
They shouldn’t overstock. You never see this in the U.K. If there’s demand then meet it rather than this stupid devaluation to the cars by sticking too many on the forecourt without marketing support and awareness.
They aren’t overstock at Alfa in the US. Outside of a few higher volume dealers, most have less than 50 cars on the lot.

They could have 1 car on the lot, and it would still trade for $6-10k off MSRP. That is what it’s worth.
 
They might as well swap some aluminium and the carbon driveshaft for cheaper spec materials as it’s obviously not valued in your market? Put some more cup holders and ambient lighting in and they’re off!
 
They might as well swap some aluminium and the carbon driveshaft for cheaper spec materials as it’s obviously not valued in your market? Put some more cup holders and ambient lighting in and they’re off!
What are the sales numbers in the UK and what kind of discount can be had?
 
I don’t know. It’s a handful now as the makers have to sell a percentage of EVs and don’t want to pay the £100 0000000 fine that Ford is facing. I ordered mine in November 2023 and it arrived April 2024.
 
I don’t know. It’s a handful now as the makers have to sell a percentage of EVs and don’t want to pay the £100 0000000 fine that Ford is facing. I ordered mine in November 2023 and it arrived April 2024.
According to this data, in 2023 the UK registered only 1,546 Alfas vs 10,000 in the US. Both are terrible numbers. Italy sold 27,000.

So, clearly the UK does not appreciate CF driveshafts or aluminum either.

 
Here’s their BMW page. The x3 looks pretty risky to me!
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We’re in a terrible market for all cars. The difference is that Stelvio has had big discounts for a long time. I got my ‘22 Giulia, custom ordered, with $6k off and that was considered an ok deal. Before the pandemic people were getting $10-12k off easily.

None of this is saying the product is bad, granted, there are compromises. It’s just a poorly run brand, with a lack of marketing, and counter measures to combat perceived reliability issues. There are 100 things going against Alfa, and driving dynamics and styling for it. That’s not a winning strategy outside of the Alfisti.
 
And the lacklustre Tonale hasn’t helped. The Junior may, with its company car tax benefits and low risk price compared to the Stelvio. I read it’s actually quite improved from the Peugeot base car.
 
Automakers Thrived in the Pandemic. Many Are Now Struggling.

A few years ago, automakers were celebrating record profits as the pandemic created shortages of new cars, allowing them to raise prices. Now the hangover is setting in.

Nissan, the Japanese automaker, is laying off 9,000 employees. Volkswagen is considering closing factories in Germany for the first time. The chief executive of the U.S. and European automaker Stellantis, which owns Jeep, Peugeot, Fiat and other brands, quit after sales tumbled. Even luxury brands like BMW and Mercedes-Benz are struggling.

Each carmaker has its own problems, but there are some common threads. They include a tricky and expensive technological transition, political turmoil, rising protectionism and the emergence of a new class of fast-growing Chinese carmakers. The many woes raise questions about the future of companies that are a critical source of jobs in many Western and Asian countries.

Many of these problems have been apparent for years but became less pressing during the pandemic, lulling some automakers into complacency. When shortages of semiconductors and other components slowed production and limited inventory, carmakers found it easy to raise prices.


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