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This and Montecarlo blue make me melt man...such sexy cars...
Thanks. I love this color. FYI there's a 2020 Montecarlo blue QV for sale at a very good price. Looks like 1 owner and has service records.
 
It isn't just 2024 is the last year.

April is the last month to order. It's middle of February BTW, technically that makes 2024 a pretty short year as far as orders go.

Thats what shocked me most.


Notice no announcement on the 4 cyl going away at the same time, interesting no? Will they keep making the 4 avalible?
This is actually pretty normal. Alfa's current MY ordering typically wraps up in late April / early May. '25 MY ordering likely starts in early June. Factory changes production to new model year on July 1st.

This is almost exactly the schedule from when I ordered our '18 Giulia in 2017. Orders for 18s opened up on the first week of June 2017. My build started in July. Then the car sat in Italy for ~6 weeks, almost all of August to mid-Sept. On the boat to the USA, then got to Baltimore and sat until early November when Alfa allowed '18 MY cars to be released.
 
Yes. F*ck Nissan Larry and Renault/Nissan alliance Carlos Tavares.

May they drive 1000 miles in a car that was lived in by a homeless person for a decade, with no A/C and windows that don't open in the middle of summer.

No way by 2025 Alfa has an EV making more power then either the Dodges or Maseratis. However I do believe they will fully release a new base model as an EV that makes 350hp, and will be both slower and worse handling then what we have right now... And cost closer to what the QV does currently then the 4cyl... Weight over 5000 lbs probably. Edit: There are EV blogs reporting the Jeep Wagoneer S EV, built off STLA Large with 800hp will weigh 6700lbs. 🤯

Notice the 800hp figure.... Notice thats the same as what the upcomming Jeep Wagoneer S is getting supossedly. Look at the profile of the Jeep Wagoneer S...put a scudetto and Tonale headlights on it and that's going to be the next Stelvio. On the inside add some Alfa badges and remove the screen in front of the passenger, to make it "driver focused". Hopefully Alfa will also use better materials and shave some weight of the Jeep's figure.

Instead of Jeep getting a badge engineered Alfa, Alfa will be getting a badge engineered Jeep.. that is a corporate reengineered version of what Alfa already has. Reengineered by the same people who made the new Grand Cherokee frame weaker then the Stelvio's and decided the off-road, protective underbody shields on the Jeep should cover less of the underbody then the plastic one on the Stelvio.

BS it'll be 800volt. Jeep is getting 400, even Dodge is getting 400. Only the very top of the line will have 800volt maybe 1000hp and cost near $200k. Hopefully it'll have a special crystal to unlock the power like Dodge will. EVs, bringing back the glory days of the 1970's new age movement.


But hey, look on the bright side! All this will mean the Tonale will no longer compete with the Stelvio on price!! Gotta love it when a plan comes together. 🤦
I can't stand Nissan Larry. But I'm going to give Tavares a pass for now. Tavares knows how to make money, even if that means diluting a niche enthusiast brand like Alfa Romeo. I have a sizable investment in STLA and it is in my top 5 performing equities of the past year. STLA has net profit margins 3x GM and Ford, more inline with BMW and Mercedes. And that should only improve with the rationalization that comes with the common STLA platforms. The state (CA, NY, etc) and European mandates that are pushing for EV only production from 2035-onwards require all automakers to change direction. I like that Tavares is planning for this, but the platforms are flexible enough to allow for hybrid ICE powerplants as a hold over. Tavares seems to be more inline with the thinking of Toyota's management of the timeline to EV production, but he's left the engineering flexibility in place that they can make that change at their discretion without being totally caught flatfooted.

The Macan EV is supposedly about 5300lbs. The Grecale Folgore is supposedly is about 150-200lbs heavier (5475lbs) and some of the Folgore's heft could be down to the bastardization of mashing up a design initially built on Giorgio and then having to carry over much of that to STLA Large underpinnings. The bulk of the external sheet metal must be common between the two, which then means that most mounting points and a significant amount of internal positions had to be carried over from Grecale Giorgio to Folgore STLA Large. And keep in mind the Grecale is a LWB than the Stelvio, so there is a natural increase in weight due to stretching the vehicle.

Tesla Model Y is 4200-4400lbs depending on configuration, so pretty similar to existing Stelvio QV models, but the Model Y is a smidge smaller in external dimensions. Model Y is pretty similar to current Macan ICE in size. So existing established auto companies have significant work to do to get weight down to comparable levels as Tesla. I would expect 2025 STLA Large Stelvio QV to be pretty similar to the Macan EV in weight. STLA Large Stelvio QV may be able to get away with saying 800hp, but this may be limited to very short "burst" intervals due to current draw, not normal usable power. There is lots of trickery that can be played here to get top stat honors, but not for everyday real world use.
 
I love the shift in conversation!

I’m thankful to own a Quadrifoglio! Thanks Alfa for building such an iconic machine..calling on other Quadrifoglio owners on this forum to post a picture of yours to celebrate!
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Yes!! That's the right attitude. Thank you for shifting the conversation away from the incessant bitching and droning on by some on this forum. Jesus, give it a rest. I think we get that they're upset and they could run Stellantis 1000 times better than the clowns running it today. Interesting Tavares/JPI got the job and they didn't. :unsure:

I also stand firmly with you on the side of giving thanks to Marchionne for providing us Alfisti one absolutely wonderful taste of la dolce vida, and what a taste it was!! I don't have a Stelvio Quad, I have a Stelvio TI Sport, but here's a pic of the Quad I do have at full send, active aero doing its thing:

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Let's keep the good vibes going! Otherwise people will come to this Alfa forum and think Alfa owners are a bunch of sour bitter jerks.
 
I love the shift in conversation!



Yes!! That's the right attitude. Thank you for shifting the conversation away from the incessant bitching and droning on by some on this forum. Jesus, give it a rest. I think we get that they're upset and they could run Stellantis 1000 times better than the clowns running it today. Interesting Tavares/JPI got the job and they didn't. :unsure:

I also stand firmly with you on the side of giving thanks to Marchionne for providing us Alfisti one absolutely wonderful taste of la dolce vida, and what a taste it was!! I don't have a Stelvio Quad, I have a Stelvio TI Sport, but here's a pic of the Quad I do have at full send, active aero doing its thing:

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Let's keep the good vibes going! Otherwise people will come to this Alfa forum and think Alfa owners are a bunch of sour bitter jerks.
We’ll said!!
 
@F1appassionato you're right about Tavares making a profit, which is good in the short term, however I think his seeming complete disinterest in actually selling cars will cause problems in the long term...Long term being 5 years.

Why? Circuit City.

They were a popular electronic store in the US founded in the 70's that went out of business in the 2000s.

Unlike their competitors, Circuit City made a profit. In the 80's through the early 2k's this sent their stock up by about 8000%, and they were a darling of the market. However increased competition in the market changed all this by the end of the 90's so much so that the entire corporation was gone by 2009.

What happened?

Competitors like Best Buy didn't care about making a profit on each sale, they just wanted to sell items and make their profits on the backend. Which they did, so well they eventually stole so many sales from Circuit City, it didn't matter how much profit Circuit City made on each sale, because they weren't selling anything.

Thankfully, due to the profits Circuit City had been making for decades, Circuit City didn't just roll over here. No, they revamped store floor plans and fascias to be more like competitors, retrained staff to act more like the staff at competitors, announcing new store designs and sales concepts every few years for a while. Which the corporation could do this thanks to all the money it had laying around due to the high profit margins. (Exactly like how Stellantis can keep investing billions and is constantly revamping their plans, delaying releases to change them, etc.)

Thing is playing catch-up never worked (It never really does). They just burned through all the money in the bank as sales continued to drop till eventually the corporation disappeared. Despite never selling items at a loss, always generating a profit on sales. Right up till there weren't any sales.


From what I see, Stellantis is the next Circuit City, but their position is worse then Circuit City's. At least Circuit City didn't have the products that generated their highest sales taken away by regulations, where-as Stellantis is.

Fact is, most of the profit generated by Stellantis the last few years has been due to market forces that are, or already have, ended.

The rush to get the last V8 engine cars. Hugely profitable ... And pretty much over. Except for the QV now I guess. (And sadly the QV doesn't have the fan base Mopar muscle does)

The supply shortages that meant every car built sold as fast as it hit a lot. Over.

Low interest rates and easy financing approval. Over.

Meanwhile the upcomming products Stellantis has bet thier future on...isn't really selling. Not for anyone.

Again... Exactly like Circuit City.

To make matters even more interesting and appropriate...

Circuit City established CarMax. CarMax was originally a subsidiary of Circuit City and was spun off in 2002.

Notice, CarMax has been one of the best performing stocks in the auto sales industry for years... But has fallen for the last 7 quarters.

Why? You gotta sell cars to make money in the car business and CarMax isn't selling many cars anymore.

Neither is Stellantis. However Stellantis thinks they don't need to sell if their profit is high enough.

Stellantis is the next Circuit City unless something changes. Why? Stellantis is acting like Circuit City and the entire rest of the industry is acting like Best Buy. Even CarMax. Discount, discount discount.... Focus on cheap affordable cars. Stellantis.however is going mark up mark up, mark up, make everything luxury/premium.

Circuit City was the first stock I ever invested in. It paid off my college loans and was very profitable for quite a while.... Out of business now. Profits aren't more important than sales... Not ever.


Did you see the news today Mercedes as announced a reversal of the product strategy they announced just last year?

They are going to stop focusing on high end vehicles and EVs to begin focusing on affordable gas powered ones. Why? They realize that's what sells and profit follows sales not the other way around.
 
Not surprised they won’t bring them here any longer as they haven’t sold too many for some time. The new EVs will likely have same or better performance when they debut. Now, I’m excited to buy a used MY 2020 or later when my Veloce lease is up next year. Long live the QV!
 
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Not surprised they won’t bring them here any longer as they haven’t sold too many for some time. The new EVs will likely have same or better performance when they debut. Now, I’m excited to buy a used MY 2020 or later when my Veloce lease is up next year. Long live the QV!
Not gonna, lie, I have a base and plan to trade up for a used QV in a few years (if they are affordable) when I can appreciate it for what it is better...BUT, im curious what these EV's will be like. Im down for that if they make it sexy enough
 
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Wow...what year is that Stelvio? The brush gold/copper rims look amazing on that black! I think that's what I would do if I get a black one. This is my favorite spec so far. Nice!! Why wouldnt you just get a 2024 used or something? im assuming the kids will be grown yeeeears from now. Maybe by then they will see the whole EV tings is completely unsustainable...
 
Wow...what year is that Stelvio? The brush gold/copper rims look amazing on that black! I think that's what I would do if I get a black one. This is my favorite spec so far. Nice!! Why wouldnt you just get a 2024 used or something? im assuming the kids will be grown yeeeears from now. Maybe by then they will see the whole EV tings is completely unsustainable...
Thanks man, the stelvio is a 2022. Got it last year after getting T boned in the Giulia. I still miss the giulia everyday but with 2 kids now just wanted to get a bigger car. I am in love with Giorgio platform and the quadrifolgio engine/transmission. That's why was thinking to get the Maserati as it's just basically the stelvio quadrifolgio in a coupe form. Price is outrageous but no one is buying it and I see 40k off MSRP already. Was also thinking about keeping the stelvio for as long as possible and maybe picking up a used lotus emira in a few years. I don't know what it is but the quadrifolgio drivetrain and chassis tuning is the most addictive road car I've ever been in.

I do agree a used 2024 would make sense but I have insane OCD with Alfa Romeo and like to keep it absolutely perfect. I'm learning to grow and maybe 1 day be ok with minor scratches here and there.
 
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Thanks man, the stelvio is a 2022. Got it last year after getting T boned in the Giulia. I still miss the giulia everyday but with 2 kids now just wanted to get a bigger car. I am in love with Giorgio platform and the quadrifolgio engine/transmission. That's why was thinking to get the Maserati as it's just basically the stelvio quadrifolgio in a coupe form. Price is outrageous but no one is buying it and I see 40k off MSRP already. Was also thinking about keeping the stelvio for as long as possible and maybe picking up a used lotus emira in a few years. I don't know what it is but the quadrifolgio drivetrain and chassis tuning is the most addictive road car I've ever been in.

I do agree a used 2024 would make sense but I have insane OCD with Alfa Romeo and like to keep it absolutely perfect. I'm learning to grow and maybe 1 day be ok with minor scratches here and there.
Sorry to hear about the accident, hopefully you walked away alright but I will say the SUV has a little more presence and def more room for the kiddos. You chose well. That is as an awesome looking car.

Re: the lotus and Maserati, I suppose each would need to pull you the way these Quads have. I only have a base model so I dont know what Im missing with the Quad engine. I have been obsessively watching review though and everyone is "wowed" by it and seems to win them over with an O face or a smile. So I know the addiction is real.

I know I will get one some day, but for now Im appreciating what the base model has over the Mazda CX5 I thought I was getting. Ive never been a car enthusiast until last month, so I need to get into this gradually and love her for what she is even with a base turbo engine.

I completely understand your OCD with scratches and being used. Mine is a 2020 and I just got it a month ago today actually with 30k miles on it, and it is the most pristine car I drove out of 8 of them. With the exception of the under trays not being there when I got it (wasn't disclosed, annoyingly) the car doesn't have any real scratches. In fact, I actually scratched it myself by accident by opening the lift gate...I was parked at the exact spot where the edge of the garage door curls when its open and sure enough the lift gate kept going and scraped it lightly, leaving 2 hairline scratches on the back center and 2 on the right tail light (🤬🤬) They are MY scratches though so Im ok(ish) with it and know they can be buffed out. Otherwise, not a joke its almost spotless, including interior. I did NOT want a used car but right now thats where Im at. Im the same way with my guitars...the first scratch is always just...😖😣, and then it wears off.

Yours seems amazing and spotless and you clearly take care of her. I would get another TBH, maybe bc I dont have one yet lol. But Im enjoying mine. I was just sitting in the car and listening to the engine a few days ago...I know im a weirdo but whatever. I like her....Here she is. The last pic I magnified the small spot where it scratched. You would never know if I didnt show it to you. Gray, while not my first choice in color, at leasts hides dirt and scrapes well and still looks sharp.
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Sorry to hear about the accident, hopefully you walked away alright but I will say the SUV has a little more presence and def more room for the kiddos. You chose well. That is as an awesome looking car.

Re: the lotus and Maserati, I suppose each would need to pull you the way these Quads have. I only have a base model so I dont know what Im missing with the Quad engine. I have been obsessively watching review though and everyone is "wowed" by it and seems to win them over with an O face or a smile. So I know the addiction is real.

I know I will get one some day, but for now Im appreciating what the base model has over the Mazda CX5 I thought I was getting. Ive never been a car enthusiast until last month, so I need to get into this gradually and love her for what she is even with a base turbo engine.

I completely understand your OCD with scratches and being used. Mine is a 2020 and I just got it a month ago today actually with 30k miles on it, and it is the most pristine car I drove out of 8 of them. With the exception of the under trays not being there when I got it (wasn't disclosed, annoyingly) the car doesn't have any real scratches. In fact, I actually scratched it myself by accident by opening the lift gate...I was parked at the exact spot where the edge of the garage door curls when its open and sure enough the lift gate kept going and scraped it lightly, leaving 2 hairline scratches on the back center and 2 on the right tail light (🤬🤬) They are MY scratches though so Im ok(ish) with it and know they can be buffed out. Otherwise, not a joke its almost spotless, including interior. I did NOT want a used car but right now thats where Im at. Im the same way with my guitars...the first scratch is always just...😖😣, and then it wears off.

Yours seems amazing and spotless and you clearly take care of her. I would get another TBH, maybe bc I dont have one yet lol. But Im enjoying mine. I was just sitting in the car and listening to the engine a few days ago...I know im a weirdo but whatever. I like her....Here she is. The last pic I magnified the small spot where it scratched. You would never know if I didnt show it to you. Gray, while not my first choice in color, at leasts hides dirt and scrapes well and still looks sharp.
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Oh man, thank god you got the stelvio. Yes I feel you with every blemish on the car, glad I'm not the only one. Yours looks fantastic. The chassis tuning alfa did to this suv is amazing. It does not feel like an SUV. Honestly it feels more sporty than most sport sedans. Enjoy the Alfa my friend. I can tell we share the enthusiasm for this brand. Life just gets in the way of driving these cars!!
 
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