Anyone else getting Porsche levels of brake squeal in the cold? I get it with light brake contact (see also: residential areas where I don’t want to have to stop fast a billion times to clear 4 way stops) until I brake hard once or twice and everything heats up. I know it’s a performance brake thing typically but I’m trying to figure out if it’s normal on the Stelvio.
Cold weather brake noise.
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My brakes started Squealing about 2 months ago and seem to be coming from left rear but goes away. But it is annoying specially when you stop at a red light and other drivers can hear it. Not even sure if its worth taking it to dealer. i live in Vegas lol
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So I live in CT. We had really cold weather started 10 days ago. and I am getting the same brakes squeaking noise in the first few attempts of the breaking in the morning and then I do not hear them for the rest of the trip. Same thing happens at night when they are cold again on the way back to home. Initially it was little disappointing to hear that. I never had these noises in my past cars. accord, venza, cayenne. But It seems from this thread that this is pretty normal and everyone here complained about the noise but no one have found the permanent solution to it.
So is it safe to assume that this is pretty normal in really cold mornings and Nothing to worry about it?
Please advise.
Thanks,
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Yes actually. Haha. I've had the same commute for the past 7 years and have owned 4 different vehicles in that time period including my Alfa. The Alfa is on a whole different level when it comes to brake squeal. My other vehicles might have slight squeal while backing out of my parking spot and maybe for a stop or two after but you had to kind of listen for it to even hear it. My Alfa I'm pretty sure you can hear all the way across the US. I bet my parents in Nebraska have been wondering why they hear a squealing sound every morning and evening. Haha. It's insanely loud and even does it on my commute home after the car has been sitting in our underground parking at work where it's consistently 75-80 degrees.
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When is the last time you took vehicle up to 75-80 and stood on them a few times? That is all your dealer will do if you bring it in. BURN OFF THE GLAZE one gets from being too gentle. It has been suggested here before. Did you try it?? Did you inspect the rotors for scoring which a pebble can do quite quickly??
If the noise doesn’t go away after several brake options u have a few choices.
There is a past they sell at most automotive stores that go between the back of the brake pad and the caliber. This will stop the pad from vibrating during light braking.
2nd someone mentioned glazing the pads and rotors u can remove the pad and scrap the braking side along some not so smooth concrete that will remove the glazing. On the Rotors you can take some sand paper and rough up the rotors this will fix the glazing issue.
I haven’t taken apart the brakes yet but you might be missing the anti rattle clip sometimes it breaks or falls out. So check that as well.
For what it’s worth sometimes it’s the pads that cause this and aftermarket pads cure it also.
Ian
There is a past they sell at most automotive stores that go between the back of the brake pad and the caliber. This will stop the pad from vibrating during light braking.
2nd someone mentioned glazing the pads and rotors u can remove the pad and scrap the braking side along some not so smooth concrete that will remove the glazing. On the Rotors you can take some sand paper and rough up the rotors this will fix the glazing issue.
I haven’t taken apart the brakes yet but you might be missing the anti rattle clip sometimes it breaks or falls out. So check that as well.
For what it’s worth sometimes it’s the pads that cause this and aftermarket pads cure it also.
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Ok, realize this car has a very different system as far as how the brakes are applied. They grab faster and harder then normal braking system. Much faster...and much harder. They also have more subtle tactile feedback (which I would love a software update to increase the feel of). As such, I believe, they require different application.
Just speaking for myself...I do not use the brakes the same as I do in other vehicles (which I kinda hate driving now...brakes and steering feel...muddy...especially the brakes, cluncky and slow. There are exceptions...Porsche brakes still feel great, but less aggressive then they used to).
I brake a lot less. Wait longer to apply, and then apply for less time with an initial push then reduced pressure. Basically I mimic how the computer brakes when on cruise.
After first buying the car I noticed the computer brought the car to a stop much smoother than I could. That upset me...felt like John Henry...no machine can out do me damnit. Not without a fight...I can die winning. The point is I'm better than a damn machine.
So I spent a lot of time in cruise studying the braking sensations in various situations from normal driving to more extreme maneuvers. Did stupid stuff like override cruise by hitting the gas to very quickly accelerate right up to where I coildn't see the bumper of the car in front..then would drop the gas pedal and let the car brake (hard) to back off and maintain distance. Accelerate up to 80, set the cruise at 65...then drop the gas and see how it slowed down. Only did this a couple times, don't suggest driving that way normally.
But I studied how the car used the brakes and found it really didn't use them that much and when it did it as an initial hard push with reducing pressure till stopping. Which is not how I used the brakes.
I would start breaking further away and progressively push harder for about 3/4 of the stop/slow down, then reduce pedal pressure right at the end. In every other car I ever driven that is how I got the smoothest performance and fastest stopping.
So I changed that. Now I wait longer to brake, generally by lifting off the gas at the point I instinctively want to brake (habits die hard) but then coasting for a bit before actually hitting the brake pedal. When I do hit the pedal I go immediately to full pressure for the situation I'm in..nothing gradual about it. Don't stab the brake, be smooth but don't lollygag either..get to it. Hold that till I feel the car begin to slow (takes a second or less depending)..then I began gradually reducing pressure till achieving what I'm looking for whether a full stop or just slow down.
So basically the reverse of my previous braking habits. 1/4 time spent hard brake, 3/4 soft brake.
I do get some squeaking for the first couple stops of the day till things heat up, after that nice and quiet. However the squeking is never bad...for the most part is my windows are up and the stereo on at and audible volume...I don't hear anything.
My suspicion is you are driving the car and braking like you have your whole driving career..which is normal and makes sense not trying to throw shade...however, this vehicle is not the same as the other cars you've driven in terms of the braking system.
Use the brakes for less time, brake faster with more time spent reducing pressure instead of building and I bet your squeals go away.
For me...these are very quiet brakes. My BMW 330 ci sounded like nails on a chalk board..same thing with all my VAG vehicles (except the Boxster). People would be in their apartment with the windows closed and know when I pulled into the parking lot....by the noise of my brakes. I have always been hard on brakes..helps (as a kid) having a Dad with a shop so whenever I warped rotors so bad the steering wheel would shake uncontrollably under braking, the swap out was free...
Every other car I've owned (Boxster the exception) my driving style has caused me to have loud brakes and worn shock absorbers requiring replacement after a year or less. Sometimes I have to replace rotors several times. Generally I just get another car every year or so because there is also chassis flex developing (kinda feel bad for the people who got the cars a after me..they were beat).
This car made me change my habits...and rewards me for pushing it by having quiet brakes and a solid chassis, even after a year of driving harder than I ever did in a BMW, Audi or VW..just because it goes off road.
Love this car so much...gunna go out side and hug it.❤❤❤❤❤!
Just speaking for myself...I do not use the brakes the same as I do in other vehicles (which I kinda hate driving now...brakes and steering feel...muddy...especially the brakes, cluncky and slow. There are exceptions...Porsche brakes still feel great, but less aggressive then they used to).
I brake a lot less. Wait longer to apply, and then apply for less time with an initial push then reduced pressure. Basically I mimic how the computer brakes when on cruise.
After first buying the car I noticed the computer brought the car to a stop much smoother than I could. That upset me...felt like John Henry...no machine can out do me damnit. Not without a fight...I can die winning. The point is I'm better than a damn machine.
So I spent a lot of time in cruise studying the braking sensations in various situations from normal driving to more extreme maneuvers. Did stupid stuff like override cruise by hitting the gas to very quickly accelerate right up to where I coildn't see the bumper of the car in front..then would drop the gas pedal and let the car brake (hard) to back off and maintain distance. Accelerate up to 80, set the cruise at 65...then drop the gas and see how it slowed down. Only did this a couple times, don't suggest driving that way normally.
But I studied how the car used the brakes and found it really didn't use them that much and when it did it as an initial hard push with reducing pressure till stopping. Which is not how I used the brakes.
I would start breaking further away and progressively push harder for about 3/4 of the stop/slow down, then reduce pedal pressure right at the end. In every other car I ever driven that is how I got the smoothest performance and fastest stopping.
So I changed that. Now I wait longer to brake, generally by lifting off the gas at the point I instinctively want to brake (habits die hard) but then coasting for a bit before actually hitting the brake pedal. When I do hit the pedal I go immediately to full pressure for the situation I'm in..nothing gradual about it. Don't stab the brake, be smooth but don't lollygag either..get to it. Hold that till I feel the car begin to slow (takes a second or less depending)..then I began gradually reducing pressure till achieving what I'm looking for whether a full stop or just slow down.
So basically the reverse of my previous braking habits. 1/4 time spent hard brake, 3/4 soft brake.
I do get some squeaking for the first couple stops of the day till things heat up, after that nice and quiet. However the squeking is never bad...for the most part is my windows are up and the stereo on at and audible volume...I don't hear anything.
My suspicion is you are driving the car and braking like you have your whole driving career..which is normal and makes sense not trying to throw shade...however, this vehicle is not the same as the other cars you've driven in terms of the braking system.
Use the brakes for less time, brake faster with more time spent reducing pressure instead of building and I bet your squeals go away.
For me...these are very quiet brakes. My BMW 330 ci sounded like nails on a chalk board..same thing with all my VAG vehicles (except the Boxster). People would be in their apartment with the windows closed and know when I pulled into the parking lot....by the noise of my brakes. I have always been hard on brakes..helps (as a kid) having a Dad with a shop so whenever I warped rotors so bad the steering wheel would shake uncontrollably under braking, the swap out was free...
Every other car I've owned (Boxster the exception) my driving style has caused me to have loud brakes and worn shock absorbers requiring replacement after a year or less. Sometimes I have to replace rotors several times. Generally I just get another car every year or so because there is also chassis flex developing (kinda feel bad for the people who got the cars a after me..they were beat).
This car made me change my habits...and rewards me for pushing it by having quiet brakes and a solid chassis, even after a year of driving harder than I ever did in a BMW, Audi or VW..just because it goes off road.
Love this car so much...gunna go out side and hug it.❤❤❤❤❤!
In the end it's really just about this, isn't it! And thanks for the detailed braking analysis, gonna work on my braking style.
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I agree with @Knightofargh. First cold morning, below 0 degC, and I heard very strange noise while driving, could be the brake pads, but did not sound like on my previous cars... Noise stopped after a km.
I had only one car, xc60 2014, on which, during four winters, never heard break squeal in any similar conditions...
I had only one car, xc60 2014, on which, during four winters, never heard break squeal in any similar conditions...
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Well said my friend. That is exactly what I have determined. My brakes never make a sound. I live in new England in the hills and car gets a mess routinely....but periodically I use the pads aggressively.
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